Universally, it’s pretty much everyone’s goal (or dream) to positively inspire other people—whether it be inspiring your younger sister not to do the things you did in high school or actively trying to be a mindful role model. Regardless, it can be refreshing to see the reach of our actions, even if it’s something simple. Granted, simple isn’t a term we’d use describe to Ally Maki for her influence on and off-screen. Ally has been on a variety of television series from playing Ikumi in Dear White People to her lead role as Jess in Wrecked. Aside from her skillset of stealing Justin Bieber’s hockey jersey (which is an equally noteworthy accomplishment on it’s own, just for different reasons), Ally stars in Marvel’s Cloak & Dagger as Mina Hess.
If you haven’t been keeping up with Cloak & Dagger, don’t worry: the only spoilers here are about how much of a BA scientist Mina is and why she’s such an important and well-written character. Beyond Ally’s role as the empowering Environmental Engineer Mina, Ally spoke to Her Campus about the real-life environmental issues that Cloak & Dagger discusses, the importance of mindful representation and her amazing cast of co-workers.
HC: You’ve been in a variety of TV series from Dear White People to now Wrecked and Cloak & Dagger. Have you learned anything about yourself since you’ve started to portray various on-screen characters?
AM: Yeah, I learn something new from every character that I play. I think overall, what I've learned from these is they really point out what issues that I super care about and what I'm passionate about. Every role kind of helps me to shape not only my career, but my personal beliefs and what I care about in the world. So overall, that has been awesome. Every girl I play has shown me a little more about the world and what I'm passionate about.
HC: You play a hopeless romantic named Jess on Wrecked, would you take any romantic advice from her?
AM: Oh my gosh. Man, I think I’ve learned a lot from her mistakes. The growth that she's made over the past three years have been really great, but she has stumbled a lot of the way so definitely learned by watching what not to do.
HC: Sometimes that's the way to go, though.
AM: Yeah, exactly. I'm like, ‘Girl, you gotta shape up.’ And she has, which is awesome. I'm really excited for you to see season three because she is doing some pretty badass stuff.
HC: Yeah? Can you tell us anything or you don’t want you to give away any spoilers?
AM: Well, I think I'll give you a little teaser. I mean, with the whole Hunger Games theme, I got a ton of stunt training—which was awesome. We had the stunt team from X-Men, and they were incredible. The first day I got there, they handed me a stick and they're like, ‘You gotta start learning how to use this thing.’ And so I spent like two months walking around with a stick, learning how to spin it and tap with it. It was such an empowering experience.
HC: That's amazing, and in essence, you kind of got to work with a different aspect of the Marvel Universe too.
AM: I know! It was cool because I kind of got the full [experience] while working on Wrecked.
HC: Yeah, that's amazing. And then you portray, Mina Hess on Cloak & Dagger, who's a very powerful environmental engineer. What lessons do you hope young women gain from her?
AM: I love playing Mina so much. She's so fantastic. The response has been so wonderful towards her and I think that's a lot because it is based on such awesome, cool, passionate subjects. Firstly, I think, hopefully, it inspires girls who are interested in STEM. I believe less than 30 percent in that field are women and we need more, and I don't think it's because girls are not interested in it. I mean, studies have shown that girls are really interested in all those different subjects, but then they get out there and they see that it’s kind of a boys club and they get really disheartened. So I think to portray more of these kinds of female characters is really important. And to show and be a diverse female in the MCU is just awesome. To show an Asian-American female who's not only brilliant, but you know, passionate, and kind—to show female friendships that have women supporting each other, especially in science, is really beautiful to watch.
HC: Definitely, it kind of gets rid of a lot of the tropes that have been systemically set up for Asian women, and women in general.
AM: Yeah, absolutely. And that's the other thing that's so cool about the vision that Joe Pokaski, our creator, and Jenny Klein, our writer, had for this character. When you think of female scientist characters in the past, you imagine them in full hair and makeup—but what's really cool is to see Mina was completely natural. I was hardly ever wearing any makeup. You know, she's fully in waders in the swamp and [she’s] just showing that science truly is cool. It was an awesome experience.
HC: I know you've discussed problematic Asian American tropes in Hollywood in dozens of your interviews, as well as in this one. Do you have any ideas on how we can overcome this stereotype-induced imposter system during casting calls—whether it's with casting directors, or directors in general?
AM: Yeah, you know, I think the power of social media has really changed a lot of things today for the Asian-American community. Because we're a little more inclined to be quiet about certain issues, I think when Twitter came out, it changed a lot. You know, especially with YouTube, we were able to show, ‘Hey, look thousands of thousands of kids around the world are watching Asian American talent.’ And I think that gave us the confidence to be like, ‘Wow, we do have these pockets of people around the world that looks like us and care about what we're doing,’ which was really empowering. And then Twitter on top of that was a place where we could be vocal and create those hashtags that were going around, which were incredibly powerful—because, again, it shows the numbers that we had, and you can't really dispute that. So I think the more vocal we are, the more things are going to change. Already they have. I mean, people that have stepped down from roles because of white-washing. Like, Ed Skrein was such a great example of someone that really became an ally because he was paying attention to what was happening on Twitter and the backlash and why it matters to people that look like us. That was a huge day when he did that, because it showed that people are actually taking notice and caring about why it was problematic.
HC: I think that kind of shows the power that Twitter can have. It's not just social media—it can actually actively amplify voices.
AM: Yeah, absolutely underrepresented voices, for sure. Beyond that, I also think I’ve learned the power of saying no to roles that I think are problematic. I think the more we do that it will also help. In the whole grand scheme of things, when you see a role that could be potentially problematic, just say no. And also on the other side is things like Scarlett Johansson stepping down from that role. I mean, that that was a huge thing to happen as well.
HC: It kind of changes the connotation of ‘no’ too—because no is typically seen as a negative thing, but it can be a positive thing. Like with the Scarlett Johansson controversy, it shows that change can be made.
AM: Yes, absolutely.
HC: I know we veered slightly off here but I wanted to go back to Cloak & Dagger. The show has a lot of science writing behind those scenes to make ensure accuracy around environmentalism, environmental engineering, as well.
AM: Yeah, absolutely. That, again, goes to Jenny Klein our writer, who is just so passionate about the environment, and her heart and soul is in Mina and on creating Mina. All of the things that she wrote about were things that she actually does care about in real life. And she did so much research on bees. And when [Mina] talks about colony collapse disorder, it's something that really is an issue right now. She wanted to kind of them make that aware to the world.
HC: Definitely. And I know, there were some Save the Bees petitions that were trending, too, because of that.
AM: Oh, my gosh, that's amazing! Oh, I’ll have to find those and retweet them as well. But that's so cool that, you know, I didn't know about that, when I first read it. I had discussions with the writers about it, and It's just really important to talk about.
HC: Definitely, definitely. Switching gears slightly, otherwise, I could talk about this for days. Is there any advice you would give to a young woman who might see Mina’s experience and are getting interested in the STEM field, and they might not know where to start with their new-found dream job?
AM: I think with any passion, if you have that interest, you can 100 percent just dive in—regardless of how you look, your race, or your gender. I mean, that's kind of how I felt going into acting. You know, I didn't have that representation on TV of women that looked like me, but I just knew that I had that passion for it. There was nothing else in the world that I wanted to do, so I just kind of felt like I needed to dive in. The more women that do that, the more girls that have that interest and just completely dive in—you’re going to change the game. All we need is just one girl to decide to do it, and that’s one more girl in the field. And the more women that do that it’s going to up those numbers. So I say: if you have the interest and the passion, don't let anything stop you from pursuing it.
HC: Definitely. And I think there will be young women who see you portray Mina on screen and might go into environmentalism or acting because of that. It kind of creates a cycle of inspiration because then they can go on and inspire others.
AM: Yeah, absolutely. I always think when I was a when I was a teenager if I'd seen more women that looked like me on screen, how that would have changed my overall feelings of self-worth, and what I could potentially do. These are things that I'm learning now, and this was actually what I was talking about with the first question, ‘what did you discover when you were portraying these girls.’ I think overall it’s giving me this inner self-worth and confidence to be able to play these women. If we can give that to girls at a much younger age than I am right now, that's an important and beautiful thing. And you're seeing now with all of these Gen Zers and Millennials. They're getting younger and younger. They're young activists that know everything about the world and how they want to change it. And I think a lot of it is coming from putting these awesome female characters on TV and films. It shows being more outspoken with what we're passionate about.
HC: Definitely, and I hope that continues. Like, I hope this isn't just a phase of activists, and it continues and things continue to change.
AM: No, I think there's no way to stop it now. I think now that younger people are finding their voice, there's no possible way that you can take it away from them.
HC. Absolutely! Speaking of empowering, you guys as an overall cast are all very supportive of each other, which I think also helps make the chemistry on-screen even more prevalent. How has your relationship with Olivia Holt, specifically, helped empower you?
AM: I mean, Olivia—she's a special person. I think what's awesome about her is not only is she professional and kind, but she is so smart. She really, really deeply cares about things, so working with her was a wonderful experience. I have nothing but the utmost praise for her. I think what was cool is things that we were talking about, we felt were so important and we knew that they were going to impact a lot of girls. And it was cool, because behind the scenes too, we were able to have that kind of seamless friendship but on a deep level. I think it's so important to show women that are supporting each other in front of the screen, but also behind the scenes as well. That’s just really important to portray.
HC: And I think people can see that, especially with your tweets back and forth, which I think, again, is amazing.
AM: Oh, man, I just love her. She's such a dreamboat.
HC: I think everyone can agree that both of you are dreamboats. And pretty much the whole cast, I don't think they could have passed anyone better in this whole lineup.
AM: Seriously, it's such a wonderful cast. And I felt that the moment I landed in New Orleans. There was just this warm and awesome energy and vibe from everyone.
HC: Do you have any advice for individuals who might be starting out in their respective careers and might want to foster a similar positive and supportive work environment?
AM: I think the more that we continue to support each other that's number one—the most important—and that's something that I think we've had. For me, I've had to learn how to do that because it is an active thing. You know, it's kind of like being in a relationship, you have to actively work on that every day to just kind of be like, ‘What can I do today to foster a relationship with this person or support this person?’ You know, it takes an active amount of work. I think that is so important—and just to listen to each other. I think the more we can talk to each other about issues that we may find confusing or challenging, having those conversations with people, to learn more about the world and different cultures and different people from different backgrounds, I think it's the most important thing. So travel, listen to people, have deep, meaningful complex conversations about things that you're passionate about.
HC: I think actively listening to other people in general will kind of helped develop a catalyst for positive change too—whether it's support in the workplace or elsewhere.
AM: Absolutely, because everyone's coming from somewhere different with different backgrounds. I learned so much from every single conversation I have with a person, not only about myself but about the world and the things we can do to change it.
HC: Definitely. So, do you ever read any fan theories about Cloak & Dagger or Mina’s character specifically?
AM: Oh my god. I said this on another podcast. Ever since joining the Marvel Universe, I am so blown away by the fans. They are so awesome, and I learn so much from them. I'm like the new girl, so I'm watching all of the recaps, the reviews, the episode breakdowns, the fans theories, like I am living for all of it. I'm like their biggest fan. So, legitimately on my days off, I'll be at home watching all the series. I love it so much!
HC: That’s amazing. It's like researching into your own life on like, what could be Mina’s character in the future.
AM: Yeah, totally.
HC: Do you have a favorite or most memorable fan experience?
AM: Oh, my gosh. I think one thing that was cool was when we were filming season three of Wrecked in Fiji, there was this couple that was just there for their honeymoon. Because, you know, a lot of people honeymoon in Fiji. And they saw us just kind of walking around as a cast, and they freaked out because they were like, ‘You don’t understand. Wrecked is our favorite show, and we're here on our honeymoon. This is like our dream vacation. And then all of a sudden, our favorite cast is just like walking through the pool just joking around.’ So we just sat in the hot tub with them for two hours, chatting about the show and chatting about their honeymoon. It was this cool thing because we were there kind of living our dreams and they were there celebrating their big life event, and we were all across the globe meeting and just hanging out. It was kind of a cool experience.
HC: That’s amazing. It's like a belated wedding gift.
AM: Yes. It’s like, ‘Oh, you didn't know? We're here for you. We flew all the way here for your wedding.’ But it is fun to be in Fiji because everyone there is basically celebrating this huge life event, and we're just there causing chaos.
HC: Chaos can be good, though. So I know things can be hectic when you're working on set or on any project. Do you have any self-care practices that you can't live without during filming?
AM: Oh, man. Yes. I love a good face mask. There's just something about a nice skincare routine that always makes you feel good when your skin is taken care of and hydrated. Beyond that, I think meditation and taking time to read is also really good.
Cloak & Dagger airs every Thursday on Freeform at 8/7c.